Cannon battle may head to court
By JOEL ELLIOTT
Staff Writer
Kennebec Journal & Morning Sentinel Wednesday, January 24, 2007

By JOEL ELLIOTT

Staff Writer

Two veterans' organizations fighting for possession of a pair of bronze Civil War cannons are squaring off in preparation for the next skirmish, which could take place in court.

The cannons disappeared from the grounds of Togus Veterans Affairs Medical Center as long as half a century ago. They were discovered by Winslow antiques dealer Todd Violette two years ago in Richmond, where they were mounted in front of the Emerson-Lane American Legion Post 132.

Violette became concerned that the cannons -- exposed to the elements and scrubbed clean of their protective patina by a well-meaning but misguided Legion post member -- were deteriorating in the Legionnaires' custody.

Togus is seeking the cannons' return, but Legionnaires said they won't allow that, even if it means chaining themselves to the 1,200-pound guns.

Both sides are exploring their legal options for what could be a messy battle.

Togus Police Capt. Arnold Ridley, who conducted an initial investigation, said the effort to retrieve the cannons apparently stalled when Togus' general counsel Bruce Williams took over the case.

"I'd love to see these cannons back where they belong," Ridley said. "I've put a lot of time and effort into this investigation."

Ridley said Togus revived its quest when articles on the matter appeared in Tuesday's Kennebec Journal and Morning Sentinel. Now, Williams said, he is waiting for the Legion to make a move.

"At this point, we were really hoping that the Legion would do the right thing -- the right thing being to return them to Togus," he said.

But the Legion has no intention of returning the cannons, according to Lester Dearborn, commander of the Richmond Legion post.

"The cannons that are at Togus; the members of my post have taken up fundraisers to pay to maintain them," Dearborn said on Tuesday.

"So for them to say that we can't take care of them is laughable."

As the two sides define their positions, the American Legion state leadership is keeping its distance from the fray.

"We do not micromanage the individual posts," American Legion Department Commander Donald Simoneau said. "This is something that goes on within that post, and I have no authority to step in and tell them what to do."

Simoneau said his office will provide Post 132 with political support if members ask for it.

All four members of Maine's congressional delegation took a similarly hands-off approach, either urging for compromise or declining comment.

"These cannons are an important piece of our nation's history and should be preserved," Rep. Michael H. Michaud, D-2nd District, said. "I believe that the Richmond American Legion Post and Togus understand and support this need, and that they will quickly reach a solution that protects the cannons and satisfies all parties."

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said through spokesman Kevin Kelley that she is "hopeful that the two groups can work toward a solution, the goal being that the Legion post is treated fairly and the public interest served."

Both Rep. Tom Allen, D-1st District, and Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said through spokesmen that they were communicating with various parties involved in the dispute, but declined further comment.

Violette, the man who called attention to the situation in the first place, is urging that Legionnaires return the cannons in order to halt their deterioration.

"The fact is that these historical cannons must be preserved for future generations. They can't be replaced," he said.

"No one questions that members of the American Legion are honorable people -- so I hope they will do the right thing."

Joel Elliott -- 861-9252

jelliott@centralmaine.com


Reader comments

Sort by: Oldest first | Newest First

previous page | next page1-10 of 11 comments:

Robert52 of Portland, ME
Jan 25, 2007 8:25 AM
I know nothing about Togus, and very little about vet medical care. But I am irritated at Mike H's spiel. My father and uncles were WWII vets, and my nephew was seriously injured in Afghanistan while a Marine. I hate the immoral Iraq war, but if we are sending soldiers to fight, we've got to make sure that when they come home they have proper services, including medical care. report abuse
MikeH of Litchfield, ME
Jan 25, 2007 7:52 AM
Alter ego,
You're right, they should shut down Togus. Then the vets that are milking the system can go get a real job, pay their taxes and find their own health care like the rest of us.report abuse
Nancy McInnes of Gainesville, FL
Jan 24, 2007 2:26 PM
The cannons can and WILL be stolen before long if they are not secured propery inside a well-secured building (a state museum comes to mind).
It would appear that the man who was given the cannons can't say if the man who gave them to him (now deceased) had permission to do so. Without any written permission or even a witness, the Legonaires will lose in court.
What's best for HISTORY and the CANNONS should be everyone's concern and desire. I feel for the Legion Post (they've enjoyed the cannons...the town too, for years), but legally the cannons belong to someone else. Also, the cannons are no longer safe now that they've received massive coverage.report abuse
JC of Hallowell, ME
Jan 24, 2007 11:32 AM
I know for a fact that back fifty or so years ago stuff came out of that place in the back of trucks at a frightening rate.

Times have changed. report abuse
alter ego of Port., ME
Jan 24, 2007 11:21 AM
The togus va hospital should be shut down. It employs a substandard, and in many cases foreign aliens who lack even the least basic medical credentials and many medical staff some of whom fail to meet Maine's medical/physicians standards of education and experience or some who practice outside their specialties and level of expertise. The services provided could easily be handled by local medical providers and hospitals and would be extremely more convenient to vets through out the state and country. The mechanism would be a vet card similar to a medicare card. The reason this is not being pushed by anyone, is that the gov't really doesn't give a damn about its vets. The service organizations leadership know what the problems are but they don't push this issue as they care more about their personal needs than that of their membership. Moreover, the compensation program is criminal. It is a blatant fraud. A vet at 90% disability gets less than half a vet at 100%. For example, if you have an orthopedic claim and even with irrefutable military and civilian medical evidence, the va will then schedule you with an appointment with a doctor who does a crude orthopedic exam denies the claim and turns out to be unlicensed and turns his exam findings to a non medical va employee who then makes a MEDICAL DECISION and invariably denies the claims summarily. This is intended to last several years as if the vet dies in the process, as he often does, then the claim dies and there is no payment, in spite of the meris of his claim. This is well known by all the service groups, eg, dav, american legion, vfw, etc., but they do nada to looking out for their membership, except to say well, we pay for a service rep to handle the claim; that is equivalent to handling the problems of its members, at best, as passive, instead of dealing with the systemic issues proactively.report abuse
Naran of Kennebunk, ME
Jan 24, 2007 10:57 AM

Whoever gets them in the end, right now the cannons should be moved indoors, and locked up. With all the metal thefts in Maine due to drug use, and the potential value of these to a collector, I'd want them under lock and key, if it was me.

After all this publicity, you bet there's someone, somewhere thinking about how they could steal them.

No matter who ends up with them once the court battles are done, they belong to the people of Maine, and the Legion should take steps now to secure them.report abuse
Jen of Augusta, ME
Jan 24, 2007 9:33 AM
I can't believe the negative comments about Togus. Togus serves the Veteran population with compassion and they serve them well. I think that if you asked the thousands of Veterans that come through 95% of them are impressed with the care they recieve at Togus. I don't believe for a moment that Togus would sell the cannons they have cannons on station they haven't sold them. Any money that goes into Togus goes out to Veterans Health Care. Togus has served an increasing number of Veterans on a non increasing budget. I think it is ignorant to judge the care ALL the Veterans recieve when you are one person speaking from one perspective. If the Legion recieved these cannons on the shady side wouldn't it make more sense to do the right thing? Why would you want to be so selfish to keep these cannons for a small amount of Veterans to enjoy when you could put right what once went wrong and put them with the others where they belong for the Veteran population to enjoy them at Togus. report abuse
Faith7492 of Gardiner, ME
Jan 24, 2007 8:50 AM
It truly amazes me that people can make such quick judgments when they only get half the story and even then they are half truths and whatever spin the writer deems necessary to get readers attention. As far as Togus taking care of their cannons...Veterans groups do that not them, heck we can't get Togus to take care of our veterans. Next time your at Togus ask where the store their cannons. On floors in garages and buildings. I don't see any one complaining about. History isn't being share there. And NO Togus doesn't take care of anything. Go Post 132.report abuse
MikeH of Litchfield, ME
Jan 24, 2007 8:24 AM
Sounds like a simple case of theft of government property. Regardless of how long ago it was or who was involved or how well or poorly the cannons have been treated. Togus does a wonderful job maintaining their historic property.report abuse
Cruizer of Augusta, ME
Jan 24, 2007 8:01 AM
The cannon should return to Togus. They are U.S. Government property and were most likely given away by someone who lacked the authority to do so.
Many Civil War soldiers lay buried at Togus. Mounting the cannon in a location overlooking those brave men would be appropriate and honorable.

Course most of this discussion is moot. Now that the true value of the cannon has been made public, whomever has possession of them should take adequate steps to secure them. That means, for the time being, that the Legion folks should pull 24 hour guard duty on these historic pieces. Otherwise the next headline we see in the KJ might be "Cannon Come Up Missing."
report abuse

previous page | next page

You must be a registered user of MaineToday.com to post a comment. Register or log in.