February 25, 2008
Will you vote for Ralph Nader?
Ralph Nader’s announcement on Meet the Press that he’s running for president drew yawns from some and snarky comments from others. But it’s interesting to take a look at how he’s done in Maine, and consider how he’ll do here this time around.
A check of the Secretary of State’s web site shows in 2000, when he ran as a Green Independent, Nader got 5.7 percent of the vote in Maine or 37,127 votes. (Democrat Al Gore took the state with 49 percent of the vote to George Bush’s 44 percent.)
In 2004, representing The Better Life party, Nader got just about 1 percent of the vote in Maine or 8,069 votes. He got more than double what the Green ticket of David Cobb and Maine’s own Pat LaMarche earned. (John Kerry took the state with 54 percent to Bush’s 45 percent.)
So, in 2008, will Nader’s slide continue in Maine? Or will he catch on with those who are tired of the two major parties? How about Ron Paul supporters who are clearly looking for a third option?
No, I've never voted for Nader and never will..
In the past, I have always voted for the MSM popular cadidate out of stupidity, and ignorance..and not even knowing their stand on issues..just going by popularity and gut feeling..I always voted for the Democrat.
I am now wise to the ways of politics and corruption within..
Thanks to Ron Paul who helped me learn TRUTH. Once you are a Ron Paul supporter, you just can't go back..I'll never be the same again..
It's Ron Paul if I have to write him in on Election day.
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CLINTON WON'T COMMIT TO RENEW CONSTITUTION...
Illinois Senator Barack Obama has finally signed the American Freedom Pledge, joining his fellow Democratic presidential candidates in encouraging the restoration of basic Constitutional principles after the battering they have taken during the Bush-Cheney era.
All the Democrats, that is, except New York Senator Hillary Clinton.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=239574
Posted by
jenFebruary 25, 2008 01:16 AM
Why would Paul supporters, who want the government out of their lives and advocate personal responsibility, want to vote for a nanny state leftist commie? Two polar opposites you baffoon. I'm voting for Obama just to spite the GOP. McCain sucks.
Posted by
Jason VFebruary 25, 2008 01:32 AM
Absolutely not. I want less government, not more. I will vote for:
1. Ron Paul if he is on the ballot in the general election.
2. Otherwise, whomever the Libertarian candidate is.
Though I prefer Nader over any of the preselected frontrunners by MSM (which I refuse to vote for), his big government views are alien to my own.
Posted by
RollandFebruary 25, 2008 11:40 AM
I won't vote for Nader, but my reason is not only because he might spoil. It's because of his failure to adequately address the issue of the possibility of spoilers.
I've written about it in my article, a short piece called The Key Issue Suspiciously Missing from Ralph Nader's "Table" at:
http://www.systemsthinker.com/blog/2008/02/key-issue-missing-from-ralph-nader-table/
I hope people who really want to get to the heart of the issues raised by Nader's continued campaigns will check it out.
Posted by
SystemsThinkerFebruary 25, 2008 01:39 PM
I, too, have learned over time. I don't waste my vote on the ideal any longer. I vote realistically.
I really want the republicans out of office, so I will vote for whomever is on the democratic ticket.
Posted by
Augusta ResidentFebruary 25, 2008 10:39 PM
I have voted for Ralph Nader twice and proud to do so, especially after having literally held my nose to vote for Bill Clinton twice.
I don't know if I will vote for him this year, but he inspires me, and my sense of patriotism, like no other political candidate since RFK in 1968, and as no other private Citizen ever has. He is a Great Man, and a Great American. I can truly say he is my hero.
What the Democratic Party has perpetrated on him in the past 8 years is shameful, unethical and immoral.
Posted by
Eric OinesFebruary 26, 2008 04:20 PM
I watched documentary several months ago presenting simply how government will not change because it almost entirely follows (or is beholden, in bed with, committed to) corporations and corporations will not change for any better if they can continue to sell what they sell. The ONLY change will occur as the consumer chooses WISELY with our purchases and buying power and thereby, and in effect, VOTES for policy change in GOVERNMENT by what corporations are around to influence it. It all comes back to self and our local choices that are reaching around the globe every time we buy anything. AND NOW, look at which presidential candidate has been by far the longest friend and respected champion of individual CONSUMER RIGHTS. There is absolutely no one as qualified to work for our rights as is Mr. RALPH NADER. Follow the chain and realizing our only true choice at making the positive change is by getting the power to the people in the most powerful way we are important to America, by serving as voters as consumers. And, I just checked out the movie “An Unreasonable Man”. Mr. Ralph Nader is an extraordinary human being. He is a steadfast and trusted American and a natural born leader guided by clear ideals who would serve us better FOR POSITIVE CHANGE than anyone I have currently seen make themselves available to serve our country and our people. We must and shall vote in everything we do and every action we take and vote for what and in whom we truly believe, thereby acting as model for anyone and everyone with whom we come in contact (we must lead first, in this way). We must and shall accomplish this by a one at a time and a step by step process. We must and shall stand up individually and not find ourselves voting by trying to ‘outsmart’ an electoral campaigners process that feeds us back our own polled ideas, spinning it round and round and calculatingly funneling our beliefs right back to us into narrow little summarized boxes of perceived freedom and choice. We have to get out of the stinking BOX first! Then as we are wiping our eyes out and seeing what is real and therefore what is really and truly possible for ourselves and our country, we are finding ourselves actively and courageously uniting and living this American Dream. And, we realize what Ralph Nader is talking about since day one.
Posted by
John HiltonFebruary 26, 2008 05:04 PM
Ralph Nader - no. He is 5% as viable a candidate as Ron Paul - if that.
Posted by
Wayne LeachFebruary 26, 2008 10:18 PM
Let me address a couple topics here:
Ralph Nader is a spoiler
No, he isn't. The people who decide to vote for him are "spoilers". Nader has 0% accountability for what the effects are of people voting for him.
Honestly, think about it, the voters who decide they want nothing to do with the corporate duopoly decide to vote for Nader. They may be closer to voting for democrats than republicans, but they make the choice to vote for Nader, NADER DOESN'T. If a significant amount of people want to vote for him he almost has a RESPONSIBILITY to run.
Nader means more government
You're damn right he does. Is this bad when it means telling a candy company that they aren't allowed to put arsenic into their lollypops?
Honestly, is the alternative of giving corporations more autonomy and more control really a good thing?
Sure, some corporations are good, but others (and most) do things without concern for people's health, pay the lowest possible wages, support unethical labor policies in other countries, hijack our "democratic" government by lobbying and creating big money ties with politicians, allow an ever-decreasing number of filthy-rich people to control our entire economy (in an obviously completely non-democratic way), dominating our information and our culture, etc.
Why Ron Paul?!
Let's face it, capitalism and corporations are simply the leftover economic half of the economic/ political system that was feudalism.
Corporations are simply hierarchical, authoritative, unaccountable monstrosities that cling to wage slavery to survive, and are allowed to do so only because wage slavery is the only system in town.
Posted by
AlexMay 8, 2008 12:46 PM
Support protecting the people of Earth from inhuman systems.
Support labor unions, the true form of socialism, no matter what FOX News tries to tell you.
Hell, I might even skip Nader and vote for Roger Calero of the Socialist Workers' Party.
Check him out.
Posted by
AlexMay 8, 2008 12:51 PM
No....never, But I would vote for Hillary in a second as an Independent. Especially since her party has abandoned her for Obama. Hillary has more experience than any presidential candidates I can remeber in my voting of 35 years. She is a fighter and champion for the working class and that means all white color workers or anyone that makes less than 250,000, which is most of Maine. I will be looking at a potential outlet to vote for as I can no longer support the entire party of democrats if hillary is not selected. I say this because the DCCC has taken 1/2 of her votes in Michigan and Florida and she shared in Puerto Rico which was suppose to be winner take all. This is the first time in history that a candidate has been given delegates when his name was not on the ballad in Michigan. Hillary would have been a head of delegates. Its clearly been a situation where the democratic party has cut a deal for Obama and they waited until they knew how many votes he needed before they decided how to seat the delegates in those states. Its a sham and I am embarrasseed to be a democrat.
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rlarkinJune 3, 2008 08:48 AM
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